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How To Argue Like a Viner—Political Edition

Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:08 PM EDT
politics, satire, debate, conversation, argument
By John Whittet

Photo by The Prophet. (License: Creative Commons Attribution)

Don't stop until your opponent looks like this. A rule that will serve you well in rhetoric, axe murder, and gynecology.

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The three topics that lead to the most debate are, according to latest popular Newsvine opinion:

  1. Politics;
  2. Religion; &
  3. Sports.

Today, we're going to talk about #1, everyone's favorite: Politics.

In order to have a solid argument supporting your talking points, you must ignore any salient point in the conversation to date. After all, Get Smarter Here is just a tagline—the idea that you could learn a little something instead of immediately frothing at the mouth when someone mentions Pelosi or Limbaugh is just plain silly.

While a hit and run attack to the effect of "so-and-so has fetal alcohol syndrome" is always fun, but you'll often find your comments deleted as COH violations. Pesky, that! (As an aside: if your comment is deleted, the best course of action is to complain about Freedom of Speech, invoke the Bill of Rights, quote Jefferson, and threaten a lawsuit.)

To aid you in crafting longer, more acceptable comments, I hereby present the How To Argue (HTA) list, now with examples!

1. Ignore all points.

You can't be bothered to read a well-formed argument, so don't! Pick up one or two words and run with them. Ignore all subsequent comments or repeat the contextual selection. (Required Reading: Straw Man and Slippery Slope.)

Corollary: Highlight a Minor Point

Politicians use this all the time. Every time you hear something like, "John Doe voted to prosecute rape victims," it usually means an interpreted reading of one line in an otherwise-unrelated bill about interstate commerce. Your lesson? Nitpick!

2. Step through at least three degrees of separation

You want your arguments to follow this general pattern: "A implies B implies C implies 'sweeping statement'—QED." Bonus points if you apply HTA#8 here: call pro-lifers "religious zealots" and pro-choicers "pro-abortion". Example: Barack Obama knows Bill Ayers, and Bill Ayers is a terrorist, so therefore Obama is a Muslim1 terrorist.

3. Attack the messenger

Do you know the old adage, "Don't shoot the messenger?" @!$%# that; shoot him. Example: The Wall Street Journal? That's just a front for Rupert Murdoch's right-wing shadow organization!" (Other fun examples include Fox News and The Huffington Post.)

Proof: Polls Are Worthless

This is more of a proof: you cannot mention poll results on Newsvine without someone painting the poll as biased, confusing, narrow, or statistically insignificant—and then dismissing any findings out of hand. Your lesson: even numbers aren't sacred.

4. Three words: nursery school rhyming

Why say "Republicans" when you can say "Rethuglicans." If it rhymes, it shines. That's my motto. Important: Don't point out your rhyme. Just use it in normal conversation.

5. Wrap yourself in the American flag

If it's good enough for McCarthy, it's good enough for you. After all, if the other sides hates America, they don't have a leg to stand on.

6. Invoke oft-maligned organizations

May include: ACORN, Wall Street, Big Tobacco, Exxon, Congress. This works well in relation to HTA#2.

7. Paint a group as "against" improvement or reform

No one likes a stick in the mud, so make sure to point out how your opponent wants things to remain the same—or better: regress. Example: Millions of babies are killed every year, and not only does Joe think that's OK, he wants to kill MORE babies!

8. Namecalling

You have to be careful not to violate the COH on this one, so I suggest twisting normal words like "neocon," "hippy," or "zealot" to your purposes. "Zionist" and "elitist" tend to ruffle the correct feathers as well.

9. Suggest of lower intelligence

This one goes without saying: you're the beacon of rational thought in a sea of idiocy, so shine! Be sure to link to studies that suggest that Libertarians have the cumulative IQ of a pine two-by-four.

10. Be Sarcastic

Examples:

  • The Iraq War? Spectacular idea!
  • 9/11? Yeah, sure, terrorists did it.
  • Great detective work there, Sherlock!

11. Invoke the "sheeple" principle

This goes nicely with HTA#9. It's also fun to make sweeping statements like, "All conservatives listen to Hannity." Tell people to wake up and pay attention. Offering some peyote may help "clear the mind," but you probably don't want to share with those mouth-breathers.

Shining Example: Kool-Aid

The other side is drinking it.

12. And if all else fails, mention GWB or Hitler.

After all, they're the same person right? Conversely, point out someone's usage of either and call them retarded sheeple.

IN CONCLUSION

I hope we've all learned something here today. Just remember HTA#1-12 and you'll be well on your way to turning all of Newsvine into a namecalling flamewar—just like the rest of the internet!

1: Why Muslim? WHY NOT!?

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John Whittet

Before you post, I'd like to remind you that you are a) wrong, b) retarded, and c) support Hitler. Also, no matter your viewpoints, you are a wacko who doesn't care about the common man and probably shaves small animals for fun.

  • 30 votes
#1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
tyler

Why say "Republicans" when you can say "Rethuglicans."

This is two syllables too long. *crosses arms*

Also, no kool-aid references? For shame.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:03 PM EDT
schnoo

re: gwb or hitler

Stalin works also.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:14 PM EDT
John Whittet

I'd say "kool-aid" references fall under HTA#11.

Also, I'm suprised Tyler didn't come into this thread and deletes everyone for COH violations. Ha!

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:42 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

shaves small animals for fun

Tell me you saw the Family Guy episode where Stewie wants Brian to shave his "coin purse"

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
schnoo

Did anyone mention "derail" (like Casey Jones)? Just happened to me today. From on-topic to trashing Obama in just two comments. That's got to be close to a record.

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:28 PM EDT
Waynester

Before you post, I'd like to remind you that you are a) wrong, b) retarded, and c) support Hitler.

As Greg Gutfeld (Host of Red Eye and co- founder of HuffPo) often says: "And if you disagree, you, sir, are as bad as Hitler!"

  • 8 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
Timothy Lingard

Yes indeed. The right is alive and well in the USA. It's good to know that instead of facing reality and using your time in a constructive fashion. Like the man said, your probably sitting there masturbating in your own feces drinking your own urine. It's good to know the right is alive and well. Keep leading them on Rush Limbaugh.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:17 PM EDT
frostyone

John, Great article! I wish I'd seen this one while i was sitting on the fence trying to decide if i should join newsvine or not it would've come in handy.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:02 AM EDT
John Whittet

John, Great article! I wish I'd seen this one while i was sitting on the fence trying to decide if i should join newsvine or not it would've come in handy.

Come in handy to... chase you away and never come back?

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
Bill Harrison

Very good stuff, John. Did you know that the GOP and fascism are now considered synonymous?

  • 11 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

Apparently so are the Libs. Ask Barney, Chris and AIG, Chrysler, GM and all the other bailed out companies.

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
schnoo

Troll alert.

  • 4 votes
#1.12 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

LOL

  • 6 votes
#1.13 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
Wolf Wolfman

frostyone #1.8...I'm pleased with your decision.

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT
frostyone

John, Nah but i'd have been better prepared for some of the tactics. Thanks Wolf I'm glad as well, it's been interesting to say the least.

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
JonIL

Being called a "hater' because you do not agreeing with everything President Obama does. Considered a 7 or an 8, or both?

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:20 PM EDT
John Whittet

Being called a "hater' because you do not agreeing with everything President Obama does. Considered a 7 or an 8, or both?

HTA#8 without context. Something to the effect of "You're a hater: you and your Rethuglican cronies are against change" would hit HTA#7.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:30 PM EDT
Waynester

...and your Rethuglican cronies

That reminds me of an adage I read in Doug Feith's book:

I have friends, you have associates, but they have cronies.

  • 10 votes
#1.18 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:27 AM EDT
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Simplistic Reality

Hilarious. Lol. Good article John. :)

  • 18 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
John Whittet

Thanks muchly, SR. Because you took my side, I will vote up your comment and not subject you to the unbearable exposure to my radiating, aciditic wit (as seen in #1).

  • 14 votes
#2.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:40 PM EDT
bgates43

Yup, John, words to live by ... or not. Nicely done, though.

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:21 PM EDT
crusader-637277

Good One John!! Best thing I've seen on NV for a while.

  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:55 AM EDT
John Whittet

Thanks guys. You are clearly both gentlemen and scholars.

  • 6 votes
#2.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
Indepvoter

I think the omission of calling others TROLLS makes this article incomplete. The author is obviously not very smart and is just saying all of this in support of either Bush or Obama.

  • 5 votes
#2.5 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:43 AM EDT
Wolf Wolfman

You're absolutely right; it's all Bush and Cheney's fault.

  • 4 votes
#2.6 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:14 PM EDT
John Whittet

I think the omission of calling others TROLLS makes this article incomplete. The author is obviously not very smart and is just saying all of this in support of either Bush or Obama.

Only a troll would say such a thing. And what about intelligence? Just because the common man can't afford college, you think you can throw stones from atop your ivory tower at real Americans? What an elitist: come back when you understand how the real world works outside your ivy-covered gates.

  • 7 votes
#2.7 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:51 AM EDT
Indepvoter

hmmm, I hope you know I loved your article and my post was meant to be a joke. Sorry if I was unclear.

  • 2 votes
#2.8 - Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:34 PM EDT
John Whittet

Joke right back at'cha, Indepvoter. Look at my responses across this article: you'll see a similar trend. :)

  • 6 votes
#2.9 - Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:45 PM EDT
Dustin-265090

I like pancakes.

>.<

  • 3 votes
#2.10 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:21 AM EDT
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whatthetruth52

As I don't know you, I will only say that I am sure your mother dropped you on your head a couple of times. I stand up for peoples right to shave small animals, what are you some kind of Nazi, Hitler loving fascist that wants to take away the basic rights of Americans. Do you burn the flag on the weekends?? What do you have against the retards of America, are you putting them down? Its just like you to take Linbogs side on things of this nature, always dumping on the real patriots. I bet you are just a sheeple of Bush and his father, I bet you got a whooping 100 on your SAT's didn't you, I bet your real father would be proud, I am sure your mother will tell you who he is since your an adult now... Why don't you just crawl back in your hole with the rest of you Nazi, baby killing, anti-christ loving, know nothing friends who use you for their pivot man and leave the important work to those of us who have at least half our brain in use.

Well how did I do?? I couldn't think of a rhyme, but I will practice for next time. Thank you for this invaluable advice.

  • 17 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:13 PM EDT
John Whittet

Do you burn the flag on the weekends?

Defacing a flag is an act of protected speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, as established in Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), and reaffirmed in U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990). You must hate the Constitution and the Supreme Court, fascist. To quote Thomas Jefferson:

"No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority."

Bow in the presence of a master. (Note egregious use of HTA#1.) Well done otherwise. I lol'd.

  • 14 votes
#3.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:36 PM EDT
whatthetruth52

I bow to Superior wit.... You are the master....

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
Waynester

Do you burn the flag on the weekends??

And I'll bet he voted for George McGovern for President!!

Funny post, truth52.

  • 7 votes
#3.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
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Jay Butler

Awesome, John. I think that this should be required reading for all Viners.

  • 17 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
John Whittet

Thanks Jay. It saddens me to think that most viners would take it seriously.

  • 10 votes
#4.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:37 PM EDT
PenniD

John and Jay, from some of the arguments some have tried to lure me into, I think some of them MEMORIZED it. I swear, if a whole day goes by without reference to Hitler or lack of intelligence (often spelled intilgent), I would be in shock.

I like to exchange viewpoints, but I absolutely HATE pointless arguments. I usually just type in "I pass," and never leave another comment on threads like that. I came here to learn things and to share some of my knowledge with others.

So, John, if you don't agree with me, I'll pass. Oh, and please tell all your readers there is truly a difference between losing your argument and loosing it upon others.

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
John Whittet

I agree with the "pass" statement: that works well.

  • 7 votes
#4.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT
believer-369603

It saddens me to think that most viners would take it seriously.

What? This was, like, tongue-in-cheek?

Figures I'd get a twisted view of the facts from such a....a.....say, what are you anyway? Besides hysterically funny, I mean.

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT
John Whittet

Figures I'd get a twisted view of the facts from such a....a.....say, what are you anyway? Besides hysterically funny, I mean.

See HTA#8 for ideas. Thanks!

  • 2 votes
#4.5 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
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Larry H-189743

HTA #3 and #1:

It has been my experience, after seeding an breaking news story on politics from World Net Daily, Newsviners come out of the woodwork to tell me this has the same credibility as World Weekly News (on sale at the grocery store checkout line with a ridiculous photo on the cover) without a comment about the facts cited nor the issue raised in the article.

HTA #8,

After calling someone "a partisan political hack" I am notified of a CoH violation by the anti-Republican commentator himself in a political article that castigated Liberals.

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
John Whittet

Clearly you have encountered some advanced HTA users. I suggest you learn from their fine example. Note that "moderation inconsistency" is a hallmark of a HTA-er.

  • 8 votes
#5.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:29 PM EDT
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USAF Vet-923294

I am sorry, but you have forgotten one of the most important tactics.

You call them "Poopy-head" and throw a tantrum! If that does not work, you continually refer to "Class Thugs!" LOL ;0 )

  • 12 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
EllieP

Oh yes, Ben! Class thugs, corporate imperial zionist fascists...oh, heck I'm not very good at this. Here's a random quote from Eric Albert to give you a sampling:

The supposed social agenda of the Enlightenment, linked to nation states, degenerated, corrupted, instead, into a class agenda, and class links to nation states producing class nationalism, colonialism, imperialism, apartheid, all class pathologies, that has infected and produced two rogue states, American Empire and Zionist Israel as real threats to world peace.



  • 13 votes
#6.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:13 PM EDT
EllieP

And oligarchy. Find a way to work that in, too.

  • 8 votes
#6.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:32 PM EDT
John Whittet

I've added "Zionist" and "elitist" to the HTA#8 examples. Well done!

  • 6 votes
#6.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:39 PM EDT
TiG.

Ellie

So you are studying the Eric Albert technique too? Go figure.

Your example sentence had only four references to 'class' - a little below average. I see you did demonstrate the obligatory reference to Zionist Israel. That is a critical element of the technique.

  • 7 votes
#6.4 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Ellie,

OMG! You have him down pat! I figured few would actually pick up on the reference. LOL

Yet, I completely overlooked Oligarchy (how could I miss that?).

TIG,

I have to agree with you. Four is below average. LOL ;0 )

  • 5 votes
#6.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:52 AM EDT
believer-369603

Ellie, you can't use "oligarchy." I think it has too many syllables. "Puppet Masters" is ok because it's two words.

  • 3 votes
#6.6 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
John Whittet

I like "shadow government."

  • 4 votes
#6.7 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
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alkimija

Well-done. I've had numerous discussions with viners who will deliberately and repeatedly ignore evidence, pretend that links to informative articles haven't been posted before, and generally do the Internet equivalent of putting their fingers in their ears and singing "la la la can't hear you."

I've been accused of hating America because I criticise US foreign policy; accused of prejudice because I disagree with another viner's opinions, and accused of supporting tyrannical regimes because yet again I've disagreed with others.

There are people out here who would greatly benefit from reading this article if they could only see their own behaviour mirrored in these words and make positive change. Newsvine is too full of people who "argue" like this.

Excellent article.

  • 11 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:33 PM EDT
John Whittet

I'm going to start responding to long-winded idiotic posts with a simple HTA citation, like the following:

HTA#2,4-6,10

Thanks alkimija.

  • 9 votes
#7.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:40 PM EDT
alkimija

Great idea. I think I'll be citing this article in the future. =^D

  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:50 AM EDT
Jay Butler

While it was only a short post, I did cite your article (specifically HTA #3) over here.

  • 5 votes
#7.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:55 AM EDT
John Whittet

While it was only a short post, I did cite your article (specifically HTA #3) over here.

That is... spectacular!

  • 5 votes
#7.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:28 AM EDT
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Viki Babbles Gonia

I've been keeping myself from commenting on Newsvine, and even reading less and less, because I've felt a little lost, truthfully.

Your article here has changed all that, John. I now feel I have the tools necessary to go out into the wide Newsvine world and stomp on the opinions of all who dare put fingers to keyboard.

  • 14 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:49 PM EDT
John Whittet

Serenity now! Or else...

  • 9 votes
#8.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:57 PM EDT
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Anita Bail Out

Let's not forget redneck, sheet-wearing, hillbilly and lazy, greedy Obamabot.

Really funny. Thanks for the laugh.

  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:15 PM EDT
Simplistic Reality

Can't forget Neo-Nazi now or the "Christian Reight" lol.

  • 7 votes
#9.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
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Sgt. Pepper

Great job John! A must read for all Viners

There's just one HT you forgot though. If all else fails...

GOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOLD!

  • 8 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
eriq samson

Actually that would not be pronounced as go bold but Gue (sticky stuff) Bueld (Got me!)

Possibly a Viking who sailed with Eric the well Read

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:40 PM EDT
Jay Butler

Sgt., you touched on another tactic--ALL CAPS and exclamation points!

  • 8 votes
#10.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:08 PM EDT
Waynester

If you nothing else, attack punctuation and spelling. I actually had someone try to discredit a comment because I had typed "any one" instead of "anyone". Man, was he strict!

  • 8 votes
#10.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT
John Whittet

You, sir, made a spelling mistake, and that makes you a cretin of the lowest caliber. Like Hitler.

  • 10 votes
#10.4 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:10 PM EDT
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winsomecowboy

That picture made me think someone had dug up Marcel Marceau.

I love how people are all presuming you are referencing people they have argued with and not themselves.

The snark in this one is strong.

  • 6 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
Viki Babbles Gonia

That's the best part of this whole thing!

  • 7 votes
#11.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
John Whittet

The snark in this one is strong.

*waves hand* This is not the snark you're looking for.

  • 9 votes
#11.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT
winsomecowboy

perhaps not. :)

  • 3 votes
#11.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:01 AM EDT
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MoCowgirl-1193719

I'm new here....and I've been a little taken back from the hateful, spiteful, name calling, fear mongering, rumor spreading dialogues with no basis in fact - but sometimes not even good fiction. And I've found the broken record effect to be particularly annoying - but if I'd just been using HTA #1 it wouldn't have been an issue. This is already going to save me some time since I won't bother to read for meaning.

Although, I haven't tried it yet I have noticed some people are very sensitive if you correct their spelling or grammar or punctuation. I don't how you could have possibly overlooked that one, but all in all I'm still voting you up, because you have been the most helpful so far. I wasn't going to quit, because I am not a quitter, or a cheater (unless you can prove it), or unAmerican.

Thank you for pointing out the correct way to post a comment on this site. I have printed the Big 12 and will employ ASAP.

You are great!. Have kept for whenever I need a laugh!

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:56 PM EDT
EllieP

Hi, MoCowgirl. Welcome to NewsVine! You're right, John's a keeper.

Check out MetaVine and rottlady's hints articles for more tips. Hang in there. Once you get the hang of it, it's really fun/addictive.

  • 7 votes
#12.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:17 PM EDT
MoCowgirl-1193719

Thank you Ellie.

I'm pretty thick-skinned, and I just enjoy learning, and if I am entertained in the process then I couldn't ask for more.

There are so many people here with intelligent (sometimes heated) perspectives that I do more reading than commenting. Some threads are just vents, and I'm learning not to waste as much time - just scan and go on.

Thanks for the suggestions. Looking forward to checking them out.

  • 2 votes
#12.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
John Whittet

You're right, John's a keeper.

♥ ♥ ♥

  • 5 votes
#12.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:13 PM EDT
alanwillingham

MoCowgirl-1193719 - I have noticed some people are very sensitive if you correct their spelling or grammar or punctuation.

They betray their rampant insecurity as a defiled product of the massive failure of government run public schools, which teach undeserved self-esteem in lieu of any meaningful measure of accomplishment

They unwittingly thus expose their lack of personal value and tragic Achilles's Heel of unrequited ignorance

Treat these drooling, mush minded dim-wits with kindness and they will reward your compassion by multiplying exponentially

Peace and love to the obvious massive plurality of lowest IQ contributors on the site...

...and you know who you are

; )

  • 5 votes
#12.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:41 PM EDT
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Jay Butler

One HTA favorite around the Vine is posting huge lists of barely related lists in the comment thread. we've all seen them plenty of time. List of politician involved in this or that type of scandal. Ones that have voted this way or that way on various issues. And so on. A variation on this is to post an entire article (sometime unattributed).

  • 6 votes
Reply#13 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:59 PM EDT
John Whittet

This article started out as a list of barely-related items on a random topic, so, uh... clearly you like little boys. Or so Thomas Jefferson said once.

  • 7 votes
#13.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:14 PM EDT
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Martin Westenfelder

I might add:

If somebody debunked your favorite storyline, repeat it on lots of other threads. You'll find a more supportive one sooner or later; he can't track them all.

If you can't keep up with somebody's arguments, claim you debunked him on right that topic already, although you both know you never did and never could.

If you can't understand somebody else's posts, start with personal attacks before it shows.

Everything is too early to know until it is old news.

If you don't like the content of a source, the source is either not reputable or biased or both.

Every opinion that is not yours is anti-American, especially if most Americans don't share your view.

Don't ever make rascist remarks except that all Germans are Nazis and all French cowards. The latter are not rascist but show your patriotism.

Also, understand that calling somebody an "anti-Semite" does not break the CoH. Do it often, do it early-on. It kills the thread before you eat crow.

  • 7 votes
Reply#14 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:25 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

Don't ever make rascist remarks except that all Germans are Nazis and all French cowards. The latter are not rascist but show your patriotism

I think all southerners are stupid rednecks is ok

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:36 PM EDT
Waynester

And all men are potential predators. We can thank the radical feminists for that one.

  • 9 votes
#15.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

radical LESBIAN females..

  • 3 votes
#15.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:58 PM EDT
John Whittet

radical LESBIAN females..

Who else were radicals? I'll tell ya who: Nazis.

  • 5 votes
#15.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:22 AM EDT
alanwillingham

Anita Bail Out - radical LESBIAN females..

That certainly bears more careful scrutiny...

...maybe highly graphic videos

  • 4 votes
#15.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:47 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

lol

  • 2 votes
#15.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 6:01 PM EDT
Waynester

Overheard at a protest:

"The worst thing about being a radical eco-feminist is the wind-up vibrator..."

  • 6 votes
#15.6 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:29 AM EDT
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TiG.

And then we have what I would call the stereotypical strawman.

A viner detects a characteristic in your post that matches a characteristic of a stereotype he/she has in mental inventory and then assumes YOU are the personification of that stereotype.

For example.

A: ... Government spending needs to be sensible ...

B: (thinking) .... against government spending ... conservative ... THEREFORE ... far right-wing ... THEREFORE ... hates the poor, hugs guns, stupid, religious robot, stupid, will not change, worships the rich, stupid, ...

B: (responding) Typical mindless right-wing contempt for the poor.

  • 8 votes
Reply#16 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT
ThreeCents

I like the one where someone used the word "hysterical" and then got accused of being a misogynist soley on the use of that word.

  • 3 votes
#16.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
MoCowgirl-1193719

You're got this poor southern gun-totin' redneck woman on that one. I will look it up, but it sure don't sound friendly. Chuckle.

  • 3 votes
#16.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
MoCowgirl-1193719

And it weren't, but I feel better being forewarned. It seems I haven't encounted the intellectual name callers yet.

I'm a fan of Jeff Foxworthy, and I might be a redneck. Although, with the price of junk metal the last few years, I can say we are no longer using out pickup beds for planters.

  • 3 votes
#16.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:19 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

A viner detects a characteristic in your post that matches a characteristic of a stereotype he/she has in mental inventory and then assumes YOU are the personification of that stereotype.

I love this one. I have a friend that is liberal, but believes gun ownership is a right. He will argue a liberal point (very well, I might add) and then post on a gun control issue and suddenly he is a Conservative!!

I am a moderate and I catch it from both sides at times. It is funny. I guess you know you are a moderate when the right calls you liberal and the left calls you a conservative.

  • 7 votes
#16.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:04 AM EDT
John Whittet

I am a moderate and I catch it from both sides at times.

I know the feeling. I know I'm making a good argument when someone accuses me of being a handout-loving libbie. It's happened.

  • 4 votes
#16.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
alanwillingham

ThreeCents - someone used the word "hysterical" and then got accused of being a misogynist

Well... what else would adequately describe the sudden reaction to one's disturbed uterus?

You know, in the old days, the accepted cure for hysteria was to massage the female genitalia...

...ahhhh... science !

  • 4 votes
#16.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:52 PM EDT
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jfxgillis

John:

The problem is people are stupid. And the Yankees suck, but I'll save that for your sports article.

  • 8 votes
Reply#17 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
John Whittet

The Yankees always suck. If you get in a drag out sports fight, just say, "Well, the Yankees suck" and the other guy will say, "Yeah. Beer?" Then the healing can begin.

  • 13 votes
#17.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

The Yankees always suck. If you get in a drag out sports fight, just say, "Well, the Yankees suck" and the other guy will say, "Yeah. Beer?" Then the healing can begin

That only works if it isn't the Texas-OU Game! ;0 )

  • 5 votes
#17.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:10 AM EDT
John Whittet

That only works if it isn't the Texas-OU Game! ;0 )

And if the guy you're talking to isn't a Yankees fan. Though he'll buy you a beer anyway because he's the beta to your alpha male. And, as previously established, the Yankees suck.

  • 5 votes
#17.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:25 AM EDT
frostyone

lol...it's true the Yankees do suck

  • 2 votes
#17.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:13 PM EDT
alanwillingham

frostyone - lol...it's true the Yankees do suck

Especially the Damn Yankees who visit down South and then refuse to go back home

...and those stinkin' Carpetbaggers

; )

  • 4 votes
#17.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:54 PM EDT
frostyone

LOL...yeah Carpetbaggers suck worse than the Yankees in most cases. especially when they come South to stay and start talking about how great it was up north.

  • 6 votes
#17.6 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
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TiG.

Uh, per (#16) may I reference the latest post of #1.7?

  • 2 votes
Reply#18 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT
ThreeCents

Are there any long time newsviners that don't squirm when there strategies are laid out before them like this? I am guilty how about you?

I like the way-intelligent strategy of someone calling you a name in short comment with the potential for being deleted and the followed by the a more substantive comment about why they called you that name. Very tricky and oh so transparent.

I also like the comments where you are called an asshat or douchebag or participating in asshattery or douchebaggery as a driveby poster. That is classic.

  • 5 votes
Reply#19 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:43 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

Hey Gasbag! What a bunch of gasbaggery! (sound of squealing tires)

  • 4 votes
#19.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:00 AM EDT
ThreeCents

Hey dudes, let go to Burger King and get some whoppers and fries and then dick around on newsvine and giggle and burp a lot... dudes?...dudes?...oh well, alone again...I gonna do some trollin'.....

  • 4 votes
#19.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:05 AM EDT
Kori

ThreeCents @ #19: Very funny and very true! Thanks for the laugh.

  • 1 vote
#19.3 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 11:24 PM EDT
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Rhys M. Blavier

John,

This actually a very good article. It is very well thought out and written. It is also applicable to all 'sides' without making and personal side of bias of your own obvious or even relevant. My sincere complements, sir.

Rhys M. Blavier

P.S. -- Would you object if I clipped this to some of my groups?

  • 6 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:13 AM EDT
John Whittet

It is also applicable to all 'sides' without making and personal side of bias of your own obvious or even relevant.

Goal achieved. HTA knows no racial, political, or socioeconomic boundaries.

P.S. -- Would you object if I clipped this to some of my groups?

Not at all. Thanks.

  • 5 votes
#20.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:40 AM EDT
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KGMO

You elitist, facist, ass-hat, hater-thugs!

If you're not putting a space between each sentence, so everyone can read your run-on sentences as if they were some how coherent, then your not even trying.

Now go back to smoking your bongs, and crapping yourselves.

(too much?)

  • 2 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:40 PM EDT
Anita Bail Out

LOL tiny bit

  • 2 votes
#21.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
John Whittet

hater-thugs

As opposed to the lover-thugs: my personal choice.

  • 4 votes
#21.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:31 PM EDT
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Dubbya R

Nicely written John Whittet; too funny and too often true.

  • 5 votes
Reply#22 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:24 AM EDT
Kori

Great article - very true and funny! Good comments by many. Regarding the somewhat bloodied girl in the picture--what point of view was she arguing? And with whom? lol! During the election, I sometimes felt like that girl. Election vining was brutal then.

Thanks, John Whittet! Good day to you.

  • 3 votes
Reply#23 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
John Whittet

what point of view was she arguing? And with whom?

She was arguing with me about something she was wrong about. As previously established, this guy is the HTA master.

  • 2 votes
#23.1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 9:35 AM EDT
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Judge-574295Deleted
Judge-574295Deleted
Dsent

Beautifully written... Something about rules caught my attention. So does that mean this is another site I'm likely to get kicked off of?

  • 1 vote
Reply#26 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:12 AM EDT
John Whittet

Only if you disagree with me.

  • 5 votes
#26.1 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:56 AM EDT
Wolf Wolfman

Good answer!

  • 1 vote
#26.2 - Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
wmolaw

John:

Man, this is really, really great. Hell, felt like I was actually reading a thread!

Great Job.

One suggestion, for number 6, I would add Haliburton, the most oft used on the Vine.

  • 4 votes
#26.3 - Mon Oct 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
John Whittet

Thanks WMO. I bet a lot of Viners would be hard-pressed to explain Halibuton's business.

On the whole "complain about deleted comments" front, I saw someone threaten to report Tyler to the ACLU today. Clearly an advanced HTA-er.

  • 5 votes
#26.4 - Mon Oct 5, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
wmolaw

You're kidding me!

Wow, that's PHD stuff.

  • 4 votes
#26.5 - Mon Oct 5, 2009 10:40 AM EDT
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PenniD

I hate rules.

  • 1 vote
Reply#27 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:36 AM EDT
John Whittet

Communist.

  • 4 votes
#27.1 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
PenniD

Yes, but I'm a "good communist."

  • 1 vote
#27.2 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
believer-369603

Now, now. Penni is not a communist. She's an anarchist.

  • 2 votes
#27.3 - Mon Oct 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT
PenniD

I had to give up communism, believer. It took up too much time in research. Anarchy is so cool because you get to be against or for everything, depending on your point of view.

  • 3 votes
#27.4 - Tue Oct 6, 2009 2:25 AM EDT
Dubbya R

get to be against or for everything

Wait...that sounds more like confusionism.

  • 4 votes
#27.5 - Tue Oct 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT
magz

Man. I was out sick so I missed out on this. I could have said Nazi terrorist over and over again without tyler shutting me up. Damn.

Nazi terrorists. Nazi terrorists. Nazi terrorists. Nazi terrorist......

  • 4 votes
#27.6 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 12:10 AM EDT
John Whittet

Nazi terrorists. Nazi terrorists. Nazi terrorists. Nazi terrorist......

Let it out. Shhhh... it'll be ok.

  • 6 votes
#27.7 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 8:44 AM EDT
believer-369603

that sounds more like confusionism.

Hey. I like that. It's pretty apt for my political beliefs.

"Confusion say....."

  • 4 votes
#27.8 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
Dubbya R

Nazi terrorists.

Patriarchalfeminaziislamochristofacistdemorepubatheisticbedwettingpinkoteabaggers!

My philosophy promotes inclusiveness.

(plus I enjoy making the 'spellcheck' go nuts)

Hi Magz! Good to see you! Hope you're feeling better.

  • 6 votes
#27.9 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
magz

I'm gettin by Dubya, thanks Good to see ya too, and no John, its not ok. Yet.

Beck and Bama be ma bitches.

  • 2 votes
#27.10 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
believer-369603

hey Dubbya R

I like the way you snuck "bedwetting" in there.

Dang, politics is fun.

  • 3 votes
#27.11 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
Dubbya R

I like the way you snuck "bedwetting" in there.

Ah-Ha! I notice that no one denied it!

  • 3 votes
#27.12 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 5:48 PM EDT
magz

Nazi vampires sexs assx...

  • 1 vote
#27.13 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:47 AM EDT
Dubbya R

Damn those nazi vampires. Always causing trouble with the junior staff.

  • 1 vote
#27.14 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:16 PM EDT
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