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How The Average U.S. Consumer Spends Their Paycheck - Infographic

Seeded on Thu Jul 9, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
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An infographic of how the average consumer spends their paycheck.

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My favorite:

  • The average American spend more on tobacco than reading.

Nice!

Though I'm missing investments. Social security is a tax (6.3%), so the "Insurance/Pensions" bar should be ~$4,000 less. Are 401(k)'s not counted because they're before tax? Are people really only investing $1,000?

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
The Observer
  • The average American spend more on tobacco than reading

Nice!

Most of my reading is for free on the internet!

People shouldn't complain if they're broke if they spend almost as much on food away from house vs. home...

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
John Whittet

Most of my reading is for free on the internet!

Most of my smoking is free in a bar!

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT
Nicey-1026620

Though I'm missing investments. Social security is a tax (6.3%), so the "Insurance/Pensions" bar should be ~$4,000 less. Are 401(k)'s not counted because they're before tax? Are people really only investing $1,000?

It's misleading to use the average income as the measurement.

Median Income in the US is around 49k per household (pre-tax). Average income is much higher because the wealth is concentrated at the top. 63k income isn't indicative of the "average" US home if we're trying to given an example of what a "typical" family spends.

    #1.3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
    John Whittet

    See post #3 regarding mean/median income. And please read the comments before you post. Thank you.

    • 2 votes
    #1.4 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT
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    steve-686481

    What I find most interesting is what is the $13,453 gap spent on? Certainly not taxes, especially since they include FICA in with Insurance/Pensions.

    I also have a few other problems with the DOL data.

    Food - 2.5 people spend only $288/mo on in-home food. I want a piece of this.

    Healthcare - $1,141 /person per year. I thought the average per person was closer to $5k.

    The biggest use of funds is Housing and related at 27.1%, then Transportation and related at 17.6%, Food at 12.4%.

    With healthcare at only 5.7%, only a 0.3% points higher than Entertainment, I simple don't see where the healthcare crisis is. If I am to believe this data.

    Where is debt service?

    I think the DOL needs to review its numbers because I wouldn't trust these numbers as far as I could throw them. Just doesn't pass the smell test.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
    smurph222

    With healthcare at only 5.7%, only a 0.3% points higher than Entertainment, I simple don't see where the healthcare crisis is.

    You're right. You don't. Maybe I can help. Consider the growing number of Americans who are unable to afford any kind of health insurance or health care whatsoever. Guess how much they pay for healthcare. ZERO. Because that is what they can afford. There is a good side to this. As soon as these people die becasue they can't afford health care, the percentage of people who can goes up. Just think. If we can get, say 18-20 million Americans to just die, then the ones that are left can have better lives. (satire)

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
    KyleN

    If we can get, say 18-20 million Americans to just die, then the ones that are left can have better lives.

    Calm down we are working on it, haven't you heard of single payer or government option? The President has already promised us rationing...err...reform it's just a matter of time.

    • 2 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:40 PM EDT
    steve-686481

    smurph222, you obviously have a difficult time reading. I clearly don't believe the DOL data and stated such.

    I can't speak for you, but I spend approx $9,198 per year for health care for 3 people. That's $3,066/person, 3x what the DOL is showing.

    As for the 18-20million, I thought the number was closer to 50million.

    Or and here is a thought. Since there are approx 300million people in the US and only 50m uninsured. 16.7% of the population is about to drive 13.9% of the US economy.

      #2.3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
      John Whittet

      @smurph222: There are also people who live on the street, and people who cannot afford any sort of transportation, but I don't see you arguing that those categories are under-represented. This is an average of all people.

      Everyone needs to stop turning this topic into a political debate.

      What I find most interesting is what is the $13,453 gap spent on?

      Well, about $9,500 is federal income tax. Add in state tax, property tax...

      I did pontificate about whether this included any pre-tax investments (401(k)'s), however. So who knows.

      • 3 votes
      #2.4 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
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      Brian-497171

      Real median household income in the United States climbed 1.3 percent between 2006 and 2007, reaching $50,233 [US Census Bureau]

      Your chart shows an above-average family. You have to consider the relative percentage of families earning a combined $63,091 per year and realize that a large majority of American families earn much less than that.

      If we use the same expenditure chart and subtract those expenses from the factual avarage family income, then that family is left with $595 dollars at the end of the year.

      This is not, of course, including the 3 million jobs lost this year; 10% unemployment; or those that remain working but on a reduced pay rate.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:59 PM EDT
      KyleN

      As you already state the $50,233 is a median number. The $62,556 from the same Census Bureau is the mean income.

      Comparing mean expenditures to median income is pointless, apples to oranges and tells us nothing. A median is not a 'factual' average, the word average is commonly known to refer to a mean. Making your comparison is just pure spin.

      • 1 vote
      #3.1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT
      smurph222

      Actually, Kyle, using median income is a better indicator. Half the people earn more and half less. By using "mean" people with huge incomes skew the average. These people spend more for entertainment than many people earn.

      • 1 vote
      #3.2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:43 PM EDT
      Brian-497171

      Actually, Kyle, using median income is a better indicator. Half the people earn more and half less.

      Exactly, and if we are presented with a family who earns 13k over the median then we are dealing with more than half of American families (a majority) who earn less than the represented family.

        #3.3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
        KyleN

        Better indicator for what? They are different, have different purposes and uses.

        To know what most American's spend I would prefer a median indicator but that isn't what was given. However to just plug in median income and compare it to a mean analysis is bogus. Median expenditures are different just like median income is different.

        That the article used the word average doesn't make it factually incorrect which Brian also suggested because what they used a mean is in fact an average.

        To dispute the article it should be said, the article uses a mean instead of a median and I feel a median measure would more accurately reflect the American population than a mean. But instead we got more spin of a different variety. There are all sorts of things wrong with that graph, but that's always what you get when trying to reduce complex ideas into a simple graphic.

        • 1 vote
        #3.4 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
        Nicey-1026620

        As you already state the $50,233 is a median number. The $62,556 from the same Census Bureau is the mean income.

        Comparing mean expenditures to median income is pointless, apples to oranges and tells us nothing. A median is not a 'factual' average, the word average is commonly known to refer to a mean. Making your comparison is just pure spin.

        The median is much more representative of the typical US family. Because it's closer to where everyone is concentrated.

        No one uses average income for anything involving economic analysis. And there's a reason for that.

        You base your home purchase on median income. You go 3X what the median income of Americans is and that's what the median home price should be.

        Comparing "Mean" expenditures to a "typical" American Families Expenditures is pointless. This chart includes the ultra rich and wealth concentration at the top. Which operates in different rules than the rest of us. They spend less % on fuel, utilities, health insurance. At lower incomes, things like a car, insurance, gas make up a larger piece of the pie.

        Therefor, most of that chart is misleading. Because the "average" American looking at it is unlikely to relate if they break down their actual budget.

        • 1 vote
        #3.5 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT
        John Whittet

        Kyle is right in that the use of mean instead of median in no way invalidates this graphic. It's an average representation of an average family. It doesn't portray any specific group accurately because it's an average. What's the problem, again?

        Comparing "Mean" expenditures to a "typical" American Families Expenditures is pointless. This chart includes the ultra rich and wealth concentration at the top.

        It also includes the ultra-poor and people without any sort of house or transportation or healthcare. It kinda, y'know, averages out.

        • 2 votes
        #3.6 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT
        Nicey-1026620

        That the article used the word average doesn't make it factually incorrect which Brian also suggested because what they used a mean is in fact an average.

        Real median household income in the United States climbed 1.3 percent between 2006 and 2007, reaching $50,233 [US Census Bureau]

        Your chart shows an above-average family. You have to consider the relative percentage of families earning a combined $63,091 per year and realize that a large majority of American families earn much less than that.

        If we use the same expenditure chart and subtract those expenses from the factual avarage family income, then that family is left with $595 dollars at the end of the year.

        I find nothing wrong with that statement. Yes, you can argue that it is not "statistically valid" to take the median income and subtract the mean purchases. But that's not the point Brian was making.

        I believe he is saying the "typical" or even "real-average" American family cannot relate to such expenses as these purchases don't reflect their budgets. It's highly likely they spend more on utilities, fuel, car expenses, insurance, etc than shown on that graph.

        Saying the "average" income is 63k is beyond misleading. Is it the statistical average? Yes. But it just shows that the wealth is supremely concentrated at the top in this country.

        • 1 vote
        #3.7 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
        Nicey-1026620

        It also includes the ultra-poor and people without any sort of house or transportation or healthcare. It kinda, y'know, averages out.

        It doesn't average out though. If it did, the average would equal the median.

        The disparity exists because the wealth is very concentrated at the top in this country. Otherwise the average would be 13k greater than the median.

        It's just misleading in the sense that if you say "average american family" in the sense of describing the average US family. Statistically I'm sure it's true, it's just not applicable to a bunch of Americans.

        • 2 votes
        #3.8 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
        John Whittet

        I believe he is saying the "typical" or even "real-average" American family cannot relate to such expenses as these purchases don't reflect their budgets. It's highly likely they spend more on utilities, fuel, car expenses, insurance, etc than shown on that graph.

        And to the families making $100k, the breakdown is incorrect too.

        Honestly, the differences between the median family making $53 and the mean family making $63 is, what, like $8k after taxes? A tidy sum, to be sure, but not wildly different in terms of percentages.

        • 2 votes
        #3.9 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:42 PM EDT
        Nicey-1026620

        Honestly, the differences between the median family making $53 and the mean family making $63 is, what, like $8k after taxes? A tidy sum, to be sure, but not wildly different in terms of percentages.

        Well, since median is around 50 (not 53) after taxes the difference is around 10k dollars a year.

        As far as percentages go, they may not be far off, but then again, 10k could be a vast difference in some choices. Owning or renting, used car or new, eat in or eat out.

        Though the use of the term average is certainly statistically valid. Americans who view themselves as an average american probably don't match up very well. I wonder what the bell distribution would look like and how many deviations they find themselves away, also what % of Americans are 1 deviation away from the standard.

          #3.10 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM EDT
          KyleN

          Looking at the sponser for that site, the other graphics they employ I seriously doubt the mean was used for some political reason I have a feeling they used the mean simply because they wanted to use the word 'average' in the graphic.

          I'm surprised there was no category for debt as their product is selling debt consolidation loans but perhaps the labor department didn't report on that.

          I'm as big a fan as anybody for pretty pictures but some concepts are just too complex to break down that way. Even if it used median, even if it reported tax burdens, and everything else it still would not be a proper way to study any of the political issues being referred to in the thread. It's best use is to make us think more about expenditures not to try and draw up policy.

          • 1 vote
          #3.11 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM EDT
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          Linda Luke

          This is bogus no doubt.

            Reply#4 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
            MrsAck

            GEEE! What a pretty graph.

            So now I am a "consumer unit"?

            I was not asked, so I would like to know who was involved in the survey (what demographics and /or geographic area), because as others have pointed out above the numbers just don't seem realistic.

              Reply#5 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
              PAUL-372271

              I agree, it does not seem right

              • 1 vote
              Reply#6 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
              Marco Polo 90001

              What about: set up fee; connection fee; changing terms of service Fee; fee for this; fee for that. What is up with these "fees?" I contacted a government agency to change to terms of my payment plan (taxes) and was charged a $20 fee. I wonder if the folks in California receiving IOU's can charge a "NSF fee" on their receiving a paycheck that their employer can not honor.

              On a different note, California is not allowed to charge students attending public colleges a tuition. But, California does charge in the form of a "fee." Tuition for Californians is called a fee. $20 per unit "fee." I turn down any business that has the word "fee" in the contract. I set up phone service through Verizon and was charges a $38 activation "fee." Wait, if I bought the phone servce, isn't it suppose to be activated when I buy it? This reminds me of that commercial where the scuba diver tells the other scuba diver who is already at the bottom of the ocean "Air is an additional $$$ ungrade fee. Do you want it?"

                Reply#7 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
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